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This weekend I 'av been mostly fitting.... my new suspension

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mark.yellow.series.3:
people who crawl rocks are nutters,

to insane for me. :lol:  :lol:

Porny:

--- Quote from: "timberdog" ---porny got the link to the suspension set package ??

looks sweet 8)
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Have a look at www.paidia4x4.com or pm andy-landy on here or via www.whitepeakengineering.com


--- Quote from: "range rover blues" ---How tall is your ramp? this is the biggest thing I could find to drive onto round here.
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Not my ramps, but there are about 24" with the wood underneath.



--- Quote from: "bulli" ---Looking good, have you lowered the bump stops? If they are the 12inch procomps you may fin they top out unless you lower it quite a bit ..especially as you havent lifted it.
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Not sure what length Procomps they are.... but:

At the moment, the rears bottom out at the same time.... the axle is pressed up onto the bump stop just before/at the same point as the damper is completely compressed (i.e. perfectly matched).

The front though, currently bottoms out on the dampers before the bump stops.... this will change once I've fitted the extended versions.

I'm not sure what you mean by
--- Quote ---especially as you havent lifted it.
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The force to get a spring 'fully' compressed is very large, and as such you would need to have a large impact to bottom the shock out to the extent that the axle is on the bump stop.  Not the sort of thing you'd see at low speed off roading (different if high speed CCV type use)

Without the spring in place, as mentioned, the axle hits the bump stop at the time that the damper is fully compressed - as it is designed to do.
(the front will be the same once I've fitted the extended bump stops)

But even in the photographs, with the wheel pushed up inside of the arch... the damper is not fully compressed, and still has an inch and a bit  of travel left, but you are fighting against the loading/compressed length of the spring.  
And a spring that is longer or of a higher loading (which is what people fit when they fit +2" springs) would only make matters worse.

The only way around this would be to run softer springs, shorter springs and/or ones with less coils... which could possibly cause more problems than they'd solve.

clbarclay:
When in use bumpstops will compress, so the axle should hit the bumpstop before the damper is fully compressed or most of the force of the impact will end up on the damper, not good.

Porny:
Depends how soft the bumps stops are, and how far they compress under load.

The ones fitted are uprated, and as such deflect less than standard for a given load.... and thus will not allow a damper to compress any further than it's initial bump stop.

As already mentioned though....

The force to get a spring 'fully' compressed is very large, and as such you would need to have a large impact to bottom the damper and the spring out to the extent that the axle is on the bump stop. Not the sort of thing you'd see at low speed off roading which this kit is designed for!! (different if high speed CCV type use).
The other way would be to overload the vehicle or to drive like an idiot.

Under current usage, I don't believe the current set up would cause any problems.  However, Andy mentioned he's looking at the design of the rear mount, so may adjust it slightly to ensure there is slightly more of a 'fail safe' within the design.

Ian

Bulli:
Sorry mate i wasnt having a pop, dont know where you get you massive force theory from. My axle hits the bump stops pretty regularily when doing large axle twisters...as for force i think that is supplied by my 2 tonne disco.
The lifted bit refers to the fact that a 12 inch travel procomp is longer than a 10 inch and so on(strange that) . The damper rod has to go somewhere.
So , follow my logic, if you have a 12inch shock as per the normal g2f kit then there is less room for it if you havent lifted your suspension...is that not logical?? Therefore if you dont lift the car but fit the same length shocks as they normally supply for lifted cars you may run into the top of the shock b4 it hits the bump stop.
If this wasnt a problem why would they fit bump stops to everything??? It is there to protect the shock / spring from becoming damaged.

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