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Anti Rambling poster found in Whitworth
drutt:
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--- Quote ---Why not? What do you want to do, smile as they walk all over you (no pun intended)?
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No, why not try working together for the benefit of all?
There, told you I had a sence of humour!! :mrgreen:
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Why not indeed, if they're busy walking over him they're not walking down one of our roads :D
on a semi serious note, having a sense of humour is very important, however so is a little discretion. Generally speaking there is a lot of misinformation about and the internet (and in particular forums such as this one) are breeding grounds for information which can, and will , be used out of context.
We have seen trends whereby pictures from pay and play sites used as evidence of lances being torn up, in situations such as that there is little middle ground available and it's understandable why some people are perhaps a little overly defensive about the image they see being portrayed.
on a personal note, I'd like to thank the pair of you for working out the difference of opinion in a mature and well reasoned manner. if anything is going to help our case, it's keeping a level head in an argument...
LandRoger:
Hey Drutt, That response was a great piece of level headed Moderating,
Refreshing M8
Grant:
--- Quote from: "TimM" ---(and they ARE looking :cry: ).
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ramblers are like the KGB- they're organised, armed (well with compasses & rucksacks) and maybe even among us!
how can we can sleep at night?! :shock: :lol:
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:cry: 8) :? :roll: :wink: :lol: :shock: :D :evil:
drutt:
--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---I put up a spoof version of this as a joke against the damage caused by rambling. The first reaction from a rep of this club can be seen above.
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I never actually got chance to see what you posted, and ironically enough the Ramblers Association do actually do more damage (in terms of fiscal renumeration for repairs) than we do, Helicoptering in stone to the peak district to repair paths is neither cheap, nor is it on a vehicular right of way. These details are however overlooked when "people" view the argument.
I guess it is far easier to make a class distinction and instant judgement about the car someone is in, than the boots they are wearing. The alternative way of looking at it is that they have a better PR department, either could be the case.
--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---Like I said before, it matters not what anyone does or says on a forum like this; those who oppose "off-roading" or the use of green lanes will not change their ideas.
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This is sadly true. Although, arguably that is not perhaps the exact nature of the "cause" that we *should* be discussing.
--- Quote from: "Dave2a" --- I regularly go greenlaning and have ALWAYS stuck to the so-called 'tread lightly' thinking and the GLASS code of conduct. Well, where has all this being 'responsible' and not antagonising (for that is what poking fun at them in my poster seems to be seen as) the opposition got us? NOWHERE!
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Well, I can't argue with that, since it's perfectly true. Although perhaps "nowhere" is a little further than we've actually gotten :(
--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---All I was doing was having a laugh but I don't understand the fear that things said or done on a forum such as this can be used as ammunition against us - it's too late now anyway isn't it? If the anti 4x4 poster in the other thread IS genuine then the authorities are either fools for supporting a misleading campaign or are genuinely supporting misinformation - either way we are losers.
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Again, we're in agreement, having not seen the poster in question I really can't comment too definitively on it's contents. The "fear" comes from the fact that anyone can join a club with any intention and that any information can be taken out of context.
For me the "fear" comes from examples such as the following. I was accosted by Greenpeace outside of the local Land Rover garage, who were waving flyers and gosh knows what else about how Discoveries do 2mpg and kill sparrows from 300 feet away, they also had some pictures showing the "damage" greenlaning was doing to the countryside.
Now, as it happens after pointing out that all their arguments were wrong, and that the offending shots of "green laning" were actually taken at TixOver quarry which is private land I got asked to sod off.
However, had I not been there to point out that they were talking rubbish, then how many of the "general public" would have been convinced.
The fear is that, as you say the damage is already done and that there is no way to recover. If this is indeed the case, and you're most likely right in that, then the "cause" shifts to one of damage limitation.
--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---If it is NOT genuine then anti 4x4 people are being very underhanded in their aims and will stop at nothing to achieve them. And what do we do?
We argue that we don't want to upset them with a bit of humour...
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It's that damage limitation thing I think, the last thing anybody wants is for anything we say to be taken out of context and used against us. Although, to be honest I suspect they would be hard pressed to use the poster you described against us, partly I'd like to see them try as it would serve to point out that they really are just a bunch of humourless self righteous individuals persuing their own agenda, one which I can't help but feel is as firmly rooted in jealousy and hyperbole as it is in any desire for justice or fair use.
Then again, you could take all of that to be utter codswallop and just imagine that it was probably a single persons mild over reaction to a very emotive subject, such as the loss of a hobby and "way of life" probably is.
Either way, I'd like to thank you for your decoram, and reitterate that you were not being told off, or criticised in any formal way by the "club", and that your contributions are as always welcome and respected.
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