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Hightower:
--- Quote from: "Mace" ---I would hazard a guess that anyone who's springs do pop out have intentionally made alterations to allow their suspension to travel further.
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The only alteration to my suspension was to fit OME springs and shocks giving me a 2" lift (allowing the larger tyres etc). I still have my anti roll bars fitted otherwise I think my suspension would move alot move than it does now, so no intention to allow further travel.
My springs popped out just 'cos I am getting braver and doing things in the car that previously I didn't, resulting in taking articulation to the limits on the TD5 with anti roll bars fitted.
Dave:
Tim thanks mate but while all this arguing as been going on i have got my hands on some metal and have a good idea of what to try :wink:
Also i promise not to mention the subject at WW2 :roll:
TimM:
Dave,
I've just signed for my package which contains (or it better anyway :evil: ) the cones, if you are looking to make some, would you like any measurements or pictures before they go to the garage?
davidlandy:
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The issue, as it usually does, has turned to whether lifting your springs out of their seats provides any real benefit. And on that, I think you are right in saying that there will never be a "right" answer.
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its just allowing those people who fit cones in the thinking they may get extra traction from it see that fitting them primarily helps the spring back into place. :wink: ..let the debate continue I say!
Bulli,
looking at your signature, thats an impressive list of spares you have there - do you plan getting a vehicle to put them on ?
:wink:
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Davidlandy, as usual you've missed the point :wink: We all fit dislocation cones to put our springs back in when they have popped out, FACT. The question your side seem to avoid answering is WHY the spring popped out in the 1st place ? If your set up doesn't allow your suspension to travel further than the spring length then there's no need. In your case Dave there is no need as your springs are held in place with a pair of your wifes tights. I would hazard a guess that anyone who's springs do pop out have intentionally made alterations to allow their suspension to travel further. And why would they want to do that? Can someone give me the answer?
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Andy, (love the debate, u know me) , anyway, me missed the point, I dont think so young sir :wink: the point I am making is as I have mentioned, the point of the cones is primarily to ensure that when your spring dislocates it goes back home, NOT to gain traction.
When you purchased your suspension system did you design and buy it with in mind that it would dislocate to give you traction or did you just happen to find out that your springs kept popping out and therefore bought cones to sort the problem? like many others.
My set up is OME and if I let the axle drop the length of the shocker the spring still stays in situ. I didnt design it that way but I do have a completementry spring and shocker package. I didnt know whether my springs would pop out of not!, but if they did I was just gonna fit jubilee clips or my wifes best hosiery if some was availble - in fact whilst searching through her drawers I did find some suspenders which I thought may be useful, but they melted when I tried to weld them on as axle retining straps!
I would also ask the question on stability as to if a vehicle is less or more stable whether the wheel is dangling in the air, or when its on the floor under full articulation in a dislocated situation ? surely the vehicle can still rock with a similar effort until the spring locates again? hhmmm....
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Mace:
--- Quote from: "davidlandy" ---Andy, (love the debate, u know me) ,the point of the cones is primarily to ensure that when your spring dislocates it goes back home, NOT to gain traction.
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I have never dissagreed with this arguement Dave. As you've stated before, stick one under the tyre and it might help :lol: . What I've always said is MY disclocation cones are there as part of a package to help me scrape the last ounce (if thats the right term) of traction out of my setup. It's this package thing (can't have one without the other) bit which is the point I inferred you missed.
--- Quote from: "davidlandy" ---When you purchased your suspension system did you design and buy it with in mind that it would dislocate to give you traction
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YES I did. In fact I was given a pair of scorpion dislocation cones before I bought my spring shocks package. :shock: Therefore my whole decision was based around the cones. Rightly or wrongly (we can't prove it either way) I want my wheels on the ground in the hope that some traction can be found. If I didn't have the cones I may have bought longer travel springs instead, but I didn't because I'd got the cones. AND as Hightower has said, the reason I bought my springs was ONLY to gain extra room under the arches for bigger tyres. I wasn't after more ground clearance. The spring issue aside, I bought +2" shocks (actually were +2.5" extra over the ones I removed) so I could get my axle to droop further and keep the wheels on the ground. The results were a laugh :lol: 1st problem was my anti-roll bars restricted the articulation and made the need for cones or +2" shocks irrellevant. When I removed the ARB I found that I finally got the articulation I wanted, yippie I thought. Nope the b****y cones I'd been given didn't fit my springs very well and got jammed. Muddyweb and Datalas can probably remember laughing at me whilst helping to relocate my springs at www1 :?
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My set up is OME and if I let the axle drop the length of the shocker the spring still stays in situ.
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Again, I'll repeat myself. I have +1.5" springs on the back which are shorter than some long travel springs such as Scorpion ones which have extra coils in reserve under articulation. I'm sure we could get your 90 and my disco to articulate to the same height and your springs will still be in their seats and mine will have popped. I need cones, you don't.
--- Quote from: "davidlandy" ---I would also ask the question on stability as to if a vehicle is less or more stable whether the wheel is dangling in the air, or when its on the floor under full articulation in a dislocated situation ? surely the vehicle can still rock with a similar effort until the spring locates again? hhmmm....
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A very good question Dave, but the difference with the two set ups is one will have several inches of air to pass through before it hits the deck (possibly breaking a half shaft / bending a trailing arm, if you get it all wrong) the other will have a *period* of time when the shock absorber is actually working to slow down the rate of decent of the weight on that corner. It maybe slight but it's working. The only thing I'll say is, take the dislocating bit out of the equation. Longer springs will keep you on the floor too.
I've never said my set up is better than anyone elses. I've never said anyones elses set up doesn't work for them. All you anti extreme suspension chaps seem hell bent on telling those who choose to have cones, dislocating springs, long travel shocks, no anti-roll bars etc etc that they are mugs, wrong and need to be put in an assylum. Thats arrogance. No one has proven anything.
Dave. Finally, can I have any spare hosiery you're throwing out, I need some stockings to rob a bank so I can buy some ARB lockers. Like you I'd then be coneless :lol: :lol:
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