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datalas:
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How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech? And you enjoy that right by running this forum. Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
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Several million in answer to your question, some of them members of my immediate family on both sides, and somehow I don't think that locking a thread on a forum is quite as draconian as attempting to take over the planet, nor do I see that mikee being asked politely to discuss it with the admins will lead to the death of several million people, perhaps I am being nieve.
Secondly "and you enjoy that right by running this forum". No, we don't. By running this forum we are legally resposible for not only our own views but the views of all members and the content of the forum itself. If someone were to take specific legal objection then we would be quite viciously stamped upon.
Thirdly "Do you really think you have the right to take someones away??".. No, we don't which is probably a good reason why we haven't done so. Mikee is the first so far to have been put on probation, and I genuinely hope that he continues to post according to the guidelines which we are all bound to. If he does, his probation status will be removed and he will be restored to his full and proper rank. The question of how we are removing his right to free speech is debatable, since he has exactly the same rights and privilidges to post as he did before.
landyman Ash:
Blimey, what a debate! This is MC debates as good as they come!
At the end of the day this thread alone has been left untouched showing the level of debate that the MC can generate. Be it issues of what engine oil to use to the likes of suspension of as member the MC is usually a very free and open forum.
Lets face it, all of us Im sure have at least oen post "moderated" as we all get a bit slack onec in a while. The moderators dont get paid they do this for the love of the club. Im chairman of the Aylesbury LR fanatics club and have been in this situation on countless times. Trying to please everyone is a total nightmare and not a situation that anyone wants to be in.
Mikee is a very popular member, his scotish personality and enthusisam for the green oval and all things 4x4 is wildly addictive. He doesnt want to leave, the MC members (like me) dont want him to leave BUT the moderators dont want him to leave either. Wether putting him on probabtion is the ideal way to deal with this is right or wrong is to acerayin extent now in the past. Mikees posts last night were full of knowledge, laughter and Mikee at his best with no swearing, abuse of moderators etc so surely that must state something.
If Mikee wanted an argument then he would of had one by now and I know hes reading all this with great interest as Im sure we all are too.
We have all learnt something from this and we are all in agrement that this is soemthing we dont want to see happen again. Mikee will be back, thats clear from his postings last night (very calm and cool, even for a firey scot like "leadboots"!!!) so surely the MC on the mend again.
The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too. This thread has proved we can all have a dam good debate about this.
Ive no doubt Mikee will be back, some of us are placid as a peach, others a firey as a Defender 90 on emmerdale which is what makes the MC so well balanced.
Its a bit of mess but its getting sorted Im sure but both moderators and members and Mikee himself.
And anyway, he cant go as he's promised me a weekend in Scotland so he wont upset anyone as I'll be well gutted :wink:
TimM:
--- Quote from: "EvilEd" ---You all enjoy the right to offroad, and no-one wants to see that taken away... but you are happy for the mods to take away members rights just like that and without a fight... Maybe the government should just close all byways to motorised transport, and say "Tuff Doo Dahs" to anyone that opposes them....
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We all want to offroad, and we all agree to follow the GLASS code of conduct, and in posting we all agree to follow the Mud-Club code of conduct.
If you here of lunatics on greenlanes they are the ones the anti's are complaining about, and they are the ones risking getting lanes shut down, do we not want to stop them risking ruining our access?
Where is the difference?
EvilEd:
Well said Landyman... but this was never about the post that was deleted...
I'm glad he's stayed, even though I have no idea who he is and despite the fact he's a "Green Oval Lover" :)
muddyweb:
Ash,
I agree with everything you said there, except....
--- Quote from: "landyman1978" ---The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too.
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The post wasn't deleted... as I said earlier if it had been, this whole thread would never have happened. It was just locked.
And once again I say... if this thread isn't free speech, then I don't know what is !
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