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My email to Greenpeace
thermidorthelobster:
Well James, I've avoided visiting this thread until now, because I thought I'd find it a struggle, but there's some sense being talked here.
For the record, and I know this is another area (see Clarkson) where I'll be disagreeing with most members, I do actually think Greenpeace have a point in targeting the promotion of large 4x4s as lifestyle cars. This could make me a hypocrite, but there's a difference between those of us who use our 4x4s because they're the best tool for the job (for example, I frequently carry 7 passengers and a roof-rack full of stuff off-road) and those who buy a big, heavy V8 4x4 because they want to look cool. I've actively considered buying something like a Prius for the times I don't need to use the Disco, but the argument about the environmental impact of running 2 cars instead of 1 is very valid.
And really, how many new Range Rovers are ever going to be used for anything you couldn't use a car half the size for? Yes, some are, but the fact is that most of the time they're just lifestyle accessories, and I think this is what Greenpeace are objecting to.
If my car ever gets leafletted in London I'll be most annoyed, and I totally see the points everybody makes about knee-jerk reactions, but I still think there is some valid underlying messaging behind a lot of what's being said on the environmental side.
There, I've said it now...
muddyweb:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---For the record, and I know this is another area (see Clarkson) where I'll be disagreeing with most members, I do actually think Greenpeace have a point in targeting the promotion of large 4x4s as lifestyle cars. This could make me a hypocrite, but there's a difference between those of us who use our 4x4s because they're the best tool for the job (for example, I frequently carry 7 passengers and a roof-rack full of stuff off-road) and those who buy a big, heavy V8 4x4 because they want to look cool.
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And really, how many new Range Rovers are ever going to be used for anything you couldn't use a car half the size for? Yes, some are, but the fact is that most of the time they're just lifestyle accessories, and I think this is what Greenpeace are objecting to.
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So what ? They go and buy a 4 Litre Jag or BMW instead... a bigger, wider Mercedes, a faster porsche or even a Citroen Saxo with a lower NCAP pedestrian rating ?!
The whole campaign is based on nonsense and hype.... I don't understand what motivates people to campaign for this sort of pointless, meaningless victimsation.
thermidorthelobster:
--- Quote from: "muddyweb" ---So what ? They go and buy a 4 Litre Jag or BMW instead... a bigger, wider Mercedes, a faster porsche or even a Citroen Saxo with a lower NCAP pedestrian rating ?!
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Yes, absolutely, but that doesn't make any of it right. I'd love to see big Mercs targeted equally for hounding off the streets of London. And I fully accept that there's more emissions coming out of a couple of lorries rumbling through Africa somewhere than from the whole membership of mud-club. But the fundamental point they're making is sound, imho.
muddyweb:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---But the fundamental point they're making is sound, imho.
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If that fundamental point was trying to reduce vehicle numbers, helping to instill a culture of keeping vehicles longer and getting away from our disposable society, campaigning for the use of local produce and reducing the 'food miles' we use..... then I might agree.
The fundamental point of saying that people who drive 'lifestyle' 4x4s are somehow worse than the rest of us is just bunkam... sorry old chap... but I can't see any justification for picking on one group of people.
Jake:
Good old Green Peace
Funny, i found their stand at Glastonbury and guess what....
a Rangie and a 110 on there.
Hmmm
HYPOCRAITES ????? :^o
Who nose?
:lol:
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