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« on: March 08, 2008, 08:19:52 »
Cut all police salaries immediately.
What are we actually paying for???
I called the police last night..... still waiting 10hrs later.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 08:50:59 »


Cut all police salaries immediately.
What are we actually paying for???
I called the police last night..... still waiting 10hrs later.

The question is, what did you call the police for?

Remember last night was Friday night, a town full of numpties fighting, drink drivers etc

Its easy to shout "Cut police salaries" but its not the bobbies on the street who deploy the staff to jobs, It could be that you incident was in a queue to be dealt with, then a fight broke out and the staff are deployed to a fight in progress. The next thing you know is you have a couple of prisoners and the rest of the shift is in custody.

I agree we need more Police, PCSO's and Police staff, but in reality we have to make do with what we have got.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 08:59:22 »
I agree we need more Police, PCSO's and Police staff, but in reality we have to make do with what we have got.

Then why not change the law to give the innocenty party more rights to protect themselves and their property??
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 09:07:54 »
I agree we need more Police, PCSO's and Police staff, but in reality we have to make do with what we have got.

Then why not change the law to give the innocenty party more rights to protect themselves and their property??

Ok, I'll get it sorted this evening so you can all take the law into your own hands.

Its not as easy as that, you need to lobby Parliment.

How about becoming a Special Constable and getting stuck in yourself, give something back to the community??
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 09:23:36 »
Yeah, I can see what youre saying Boggert (obviously you are a PC)  but the britains laws are in a shocking state.  Look at the Tony Martin case in August 1999.  Why cant people protect their own properties.  The law was chaged years ago that you could lethal force to protect property.

Why not, its my property and they are breaking the law, so let me defend it even if it means taking their pathetic life......Its the only way that will stop them........I bet no one has broken into to Tony Martins house again!!
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 09:54:02 »
Yeah, I can see what youre saying Boggert (obviously you are a PC)  but the britains laws are in a shocking state.  Look at the Tony Martin case in August 1999.  Why cant people protect their own properties.  The law was chaged years ago that you could lethal force to protect property.

Why not, its my property and they are breaking the law, so let me defend it even if it means taking their pathetic life......Its the only way that will stop them........I bet no one has broken into to Tony Martins house again!!

I'm not saying you should not be able to protect your own property, I think you should be able to, but it must be a measured response or there will be a lot of people killed and the excuse will be they were on my land.

The justice system needs looking at not the laws, we are seeing people getting community orders for serious assault and assault police. Drug dealers are getting community orders for cannabis cultivation, for gods sake, these people need to be locked up for a few years.

We have a prolific car thief, who we lock up he goes to court and gets 3 weeks then is back out stealing cars again, he is banned from driving x4 and just keeps getting banned again when we catch him, what hell good is that?

It frustrates me as we are locking up the same people time after time for theft, crim damage, breach of ASBO and the courts just let them off with slap on the wrist.

I got assaulted while helping a colleague arrest a violent drunk, it was on CCTV punching my mate in the head and kicking me 4 times, I got a face full of CS as we restrained him. Now that’s part of the job I guess so you accept that, but what bugs me is CPS looked at all the evidence and CCTV and decided not to go with it... WHY?? they just said "Not in the public interest"

Do I have to be killed or nearly killed on duty before they get locked up?

Now I like my job and are not complaining but you guys have to understand the Police are as frustrated with the law as the public are.


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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 10:52:56 »
It frustrates me as we are locking up the same people time after time for theft, crim damage, breach of ASBO and the courts just let them off with slap on the wrist.

I got assaulted while helping a colleague arrest a violent drunk, it was on CCTV punching my mate in the head and kicking me 4 times, I got a face full of CS as we restrained him. Now that’s part of the job I guess so you accept that, but what bugs me is CPS looked at all the evidence and CCTV and decided not to go with it... WHY?? they just said "Not in the public interest"

Now I like my job and are not complaining but you guys have to understand the Police are as frustrated with the law as the public are.

Got to agree, the Officers we see (& speak to), be they Traffic, Response, or even CID are all cheesed with spending their time/resources nailing these people for the case to be dropped, or a paltry sentance imposed.

We too get the 'Not In The Public Interest' phrase bandied about.
When I had my nose broken by one of the junkie scum-bag patients, it was touch & go as to whether he got a custodial (especially as he had lots of previous 'form' for assaults)
He got 18th months suspended, still not seen him back in the department for the 'return match' :lol:



Do I have to be killed or nearly killed on duty before they get locked up?

Unfortunately it seems to be the case :( :( :(

If it was a Cabinet Minister who got assaulted in a town centre, the offender would undoubtedly be slammed awayfor years!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 11:19:21 »
It is all down to the CPS, I was arrested over some thing that was clearly above board with paperwork to prove it.  There were 2 directions hearings, a trial, witnesses from all over the country.  Must have cost a fortune, then I was found Guilty :shock: :shock: :shock: Sentenced to 10 weeks and fined £2000......then I took them to the courts of appeal with the same evidence in my defence and won!!!  Now why couldnt they come up with that verdict originally.  It would have saved thousands.....im happy, im buying a TD5 with my compo for wrongful conviction :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 12:10:59 »
best way to get coppers come running

state issue to the 999-ers

when they say they will send someone round... say

no its ok ive got a rifle and ill sort it out myself, start making some clicking noises and put the phone down

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 12:41:24 »
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what stupid advice.  :evil:
they come round take your guns away from you, take your licence away from you.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 13:28:41 »
is it?

i never said i had a licence nor a rifle

besides the rozzers did well here didnt they....

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 14:09:07 »
is it?

i never said i had a licence nor a rifle

besides the rozzers did well here didnt they....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7282706.stm

I agree with rob, we had a wise guy who had some kids throwing eggs at his house, a pain yes, but all officers were dealing with some serious disorder in the town center.

So he thought it would be clever to say he had a gun and would sort it him self to get a responce, to be fair he got a great responce from an Armed responce vehicle and spent the night in the cell and was charged under fire arms act! Section 17 I think. He was taken out of his home at gun point, arrested, his wife in tears and his shot guns removed. This was a man who had never been introuble with the police.

Not a good idea don't do it. Best case you'll get nicked worst case you'll get slotted!
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 14:26:21 »
No :shocked:, as soon as police hear there may be a gun involved they take it very seriously indeed. They just cant take the risk that its a joke.  Especially if they know there are legal firearms on the premises.  Its the illegal firearms that are the problem 99% of the time.

Did you know there are 1.7 million leagal firearms in britain??

I have 4 of them!!
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 14:21:18 »
my friend thought it would be funny to phone the police and say hes just been mugged by a white man  with a skinhead and a gun driving a white escort cabriolet, as i was on my way to meet him i realised there was a police car behind me and then another and another o and a few more, i thought strange, so taking my time driving i pulled away from the traffic lights and went round the corner, there was a police man in the middle of the road, road closed, they surrounded me  guns out, i nearly pooped myself, hands in the air i got dragged out of the car they ripped my car to bits, then i saw the naughty boy at the end of the street laughing,  i was there for a while as they searched my car, then they realised it was a hoax call, ive never had him back on that 1.

but what a thing to think of. hats off to him lol
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2008, 14:29:13 »
no they dont take it serious when there is a gun involved, only once they were bothered where a gun was involved here, and thts because some scumbag told them that the cops had, that id tried to shoot them.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 14:38:06 »
my friend thought it would be funny to phone the police and say hes just been mugged by a white man  with a skinhead and a gun driving a white escort cabriolet, as i was on my way to meet him i realised there was a police car behind me and then another and another o and a few more, i thought strange, so taking my time driving i pulled away from the traffic lights and went round the corner, there was a police man in the middle of the road, road closed, they surrounded me  guns out, i nearly shat myself, hands in the air i got dragged out of the car they ripped my car to bits, then i saw the naughty boy at the end of the street laughing,  i was there for a while as they searched my car, then they realised it was a hoax call, ive never had him back on that 1.

but what a thing to think of. hats off to him lol

And people complain the Police are not around dealing this more minor incidents, this is a classic example of wasting Police time I rest my case... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whilst your mate might of thought it was funny, there could have been some poor sod having there property burgled or being assulted and no units to deal with it. 

Sorry but.... :roll:
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 14:45:02 »
 i take my hat off to him for the idea, must of taking some thought, but i dont agree with what he done at all, coz  2 of my best mates are in police force and i know there always complaining about things like this,
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2008, 16:45:45 »
my friend thought it would be funny to phone the police and say hes just been mugged by a white man  with a skinhead and a gun driving a white escort cabriolet, as i was on my way to meet him i realised there was a police car behind me and then another and another o and a few more, i thought strange, so taking my time driving i pulled away from the traffic lights and went round the corner, there was a police man in the middle of the road, road closed, they surrounded me  guns out, i nearly pooped myself, hands in the air i got dragged out of the car they ripped my car to bits, then i saw the naughty boy at the end of the street laughing,  i was there for a while as they searched my car, then they realised it was a hoax call, ive never had him back on that 1.

but what a thing to think of. hats off to him lol


Oh yes, hysterically funny! What a fantastic wheeze. Which part of his brain cell did he use to think that one up? What would have been really hysterical is if you had made a move that they thought was hostile and you would have been double tapped, the cop who would have pulled the trigger would be suspended pending a murder investigation, a life put on hold.
Oh yes I would have wet myself laughing.
It is ignorant brainless dickheads like your mate that get people killed. What a complete cock. If that had happned in my force area, I'd have personally strung your so called mate up by the [bollards] and then put him before the courts. Its a shame there is not an offence of being a knob in public, because he would get the maximum sentence.

Edge:I wondered how long it would be before another 'lets have a go at the cops' thread would start. I agree with Boggert. You want to change things? Vote. Better still, apply to join, do the training, get on the street and then see how many crappy situations you could deal with.
Could you go out and police an area of 250 square miles with only your oppo beside you for back up? How many cops were on in your area? Do you know the staff levels? Do you know what other incidents were running?

diggerdog36: As for the Tony Martin case, you don't know the full facts. I do. I was involved in the investigation. He should not have been burgled, but he went way beyond 'reasonable force'. If you want to live in a country full of gun toting, John Wayne or Terminator wannabees, move to the States.

To all those who say we have an easy job: Until you've looked up the barrel of a 9mm that is pointed at your face and wondered if you'll see your family again, I suggest you shut up.

And before I get complaints about the language and 'Ooh, the cops swearing at me, remove him from the Forum' , I couldn't really give a damn.

I do this Job because I feel it is the right thing to do. I try my damndest to lock up the bad guys, but it is the Government who set the limits on prison spaces, not the Police.


If you want to see the cost of protecting the Public, take a look at the bottom two weblinks on my signature. By the way, the list doesn't include all the officers who survive being stabbed, shot, run over, beaten up etc etc, but who have to live with the after effects, as do their families.

Before all the crpa comes back about 'cops speeding, cops going on trips to the seaside'; if they have done wrong, then they pay for it, just the same as the rest of the Public. No sympathy, they know the rules.

I don't expect your sympathy, nor do I want it. I chose to do this Job, but leave the stupid uneducated criticism out of it. I don't tell you how to do your job, don't tell me how to do mine.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2008, 17:15:15 »
Until you've looked up the barrel of a 9mm that is pointed at your face and wondered if you'll see your family again, I suggest you shut up.
I have done, and MP5's, I was wrongfully arrested for theft of firearms!

Police aren't the only people that are at risk in their jobs, there are people sent out to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Facing suicide bombers, RPG's and even be-headings.

I know police get idiots hoax calling and attacking them out of boredom, and I must admit, every time Ive needed a copper theres been one there within minutes. And I applaud them for that, they do a stirling job.

But I remember an advert for police recruiting on TV, asking Could you keep your cool?...... you obviously cant!!

As for taking the test and joining up....I cant...I fight for my country!
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2008, 17:23:05 »
Until you've looked up the barrel of a 9mm that is pointed at your face and wondered if you'll see your family again, I suggest you shut up.
I have done, and MP5's, I was wrongfully arrested for theft of firearms!

Police aren't the only people that are at risk in their jobs, there are people sent out to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Facing suicide bombers, RPG's and even be-headings.

I know police get idiots hoax calling and attacking them out of boredom, and I must admit, every time Ive needed a copper theres been one there within minutes. And I applaud them for that, they do a stirling job.

But I remember an advert for police recruiting on TV, asking Could you keep your cool?...... you obviously cant!!

As for taking the test and joining up....I cant...I fight for my country!

Admittedley, I have not done service in a warzone, but have had to pick up the pieces after my son returned.
I keep my cool every day, so as not to offend certain members of the Public who do not have the ability to sort their lives out without ruining some others life.
You've been to a warzone? Respect to you for going and all the others that are still out there doing a job that is unpopular, while not being given adequate support from the so called Government. Sound familiar?
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2008, 17:26:29 »
Bar a couple of over zealot specials on parking duty I have had nothing but good experiences with the police and that includes being pulled three times in 70 minutes (I was in a white van at 3 in the morning driving around a housing estate dropping friends off after a stag do,and sober) they are doing a job and should be thanked for it... we only have a part time plod station in the village but every time i've rung for help(twice999,once local control room) they've been there quick time ..I understand that at certain times they are over streched and certain crimes take priority .I would be mortified if they came to me because somebody had nicked my car or damaged my house instead of going to a rape or muggging somethings are just more important .

If it's a brake in the the prints will still be there in 12 hours so what does it matter I know I've had three at work .unless there is somebody still in the buliding I don't blame them for leaving it till the morning . I'm not saying any crime is more or less important than another they are all against the law and should be treated as such but the more serious must take president .

I do however think that the punishments should be looked at ,My brother in law got 400 hrs com service for going over on his tacho ,A guy up the street got a £50 fine and 100 hrs for punching out a 50 year old tourist for fun :roll: cops can catch them great but the courts let the system down... [-X

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2008, 17:48:31 »
Respect to you for going and all the others that are still out there doing a job that is unpopular, while not being given adequate support from the so called Government. Sound familiar?
Unfortunately yes!!  As Celtic Lee says its the MPs and PM that stop us making a difference in this country.

LSP, keep up the good work.

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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2008, 17:52:30 »
LSP, its about time you ran for election, I would vote for you.


I agree that the armed forces are at risk even more, but do you hear the public constantlu complaining about the work they do, no you don't, but the police... hey lets have a pop at them all, regular officers PCSO's even control staff in the call centers get it in the neck.

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2008, 18:03:40 »
but do you hear the public constantly complaining about the work they do, no you don't
Apart from the fact we aren't allowed to walk the streets in uniform from fears of terrorist attacks, CND, Stop the war coalition,  MK stop the war group, sheffieldagainst war.........

How on earth can you say that boggert??

We appreciate the work you lot do and also appreciate the **** you take, but we do too.

Keep up the good work and stay safe.
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2008, 18:11:23 »
but do you hear the public constantly complaining about the work they do, no you don't
Apart from the fact we aren't allowed to walk the streets in uniform from fears of terrorist attacks, CND, Stop the war coalition,  MK stop the war group, sheffieldagainst war.........

How on earth can you say that boggert??

We appreciate the work you lot do and also appreciate the **** you take, but we do too.

Keep up the good work and stay safe.

Because in reality its a very small minority of the population who do have a go at the armed forces, To be fair I was shocked because when I was in the RAF we were not allowed off base in uniform.

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2008, 18:17:00 »
To be fair I was shocked because when I was in the RAF we were not allowed off base in uniform

I dont know how old you are, but was that not because of the IRA threat??

What were you and how long were you sentenced to, I mean serve. [-X
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2008, 18:36:20 »
To be fair I was shocked because when I was in the RAF we were not allowed off base in uniform

I dont know how old you are, but was that not because of the IRA threat??

What were you and how long were you sentenced to, I mean serve. [-X

not long, but long enough to see the horrors of the IRA. I was in the RAF.

What I meant to say was, You don’t hear people posting anti armed forces messages on this forum, and quiet rightly, The armed forces are doing a bloody marvellous job under crap conditions, but it seems so easy to come on line anonymously and slag off the police. I for one are fed up with it. If you have an issue with the police take it up with the police force in question, if you are not going to do that then button it.


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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2008, 18:51:27 »
IS THAT AN ORANGE ON THAT CATS HEAD. :lol:

Nope its a small melon... Biker Cat rules! :afro: :afro: :afro:
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2008, 18:59:03 »
Thats animal cruelty....im calling the pol....i....c.....e............. :doh:
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