300tdi torque and bhp figures?

[Magnum335]

Has anyone got these figures to hand? I can never find them when i need them....

[Xtremeteam]

111bhp & 190Ibft i think
same as the 200 tdi

[Magnum335]

Cheers boyo!

[bezzabsa]

but later 300's had a boost of about 20bhp - i think

[Xtremeteam]

but later 300's had a boost of about 20bhp - i think

na the autos were about 114 IIRC

[bullfrog]

Late model defender 110s had 118bhp.
Some late disco's had 118 too.
Torque curve is very different to 200 so power comes in lower and smoother.

[Porny]

I disagree...

200Tdi in a Defender had 107bhp and 198lbft of torque (hence the 200Tdi name)

300Tdi and a Defender and a Disco had 111bhp and 205lbft of torque - another reason why the R380 gearbox was introduced (R380 can in theory take 380Nm of torque - not that a standard 300Tdi gets anywhere near this)

No late model 110 had 118bhp... AFAIK.... the late models may actually be lower than the above figures due to EGR and CAT etc.

The only 110" 300Tdi's that had more power (132bhp) were the SAS spec ones, that had the pumps set up properly and flowed standard intercoolers AFAIK (though still made 120bhp and 225lbft without the intercooler)!! These were done by an outside company

Auto Discoverys had 114 and closer to 122bhp with the later ECU controlled, fly by wire, 300Tdi's.  Not sure on the torque figures, but these should have improved at the same time.


Torque and power curves on the 200Tdi and 300Tdi are very similar, both run direct injection, both run very similar injectors and injector pumps, though the design of the head is slightly different AFAIK.

300Tdi is definetly the more refined engine, though at times slightly harder to work on (though some stuff is easier).


Both 200Tdi and 300Tdi respond welll to tuning.  

I would actually like to get hold of a full ECU controlled Tdi (well the injectors, FIP etc etc) to fit to my 90... with the right kit (that I have access to) they go very well when chipped - but I would go a bit further than the standrad remapped fuel map    :twisted:


Ian

[Porny]

barnyfarmer,

Just read your signiture... what have you done to yours to get 150bhp and 263 lbft of torque???



Ian

[Xtremeteam]

barnyfarmer,

Just read your signiture... what have you done to yours to get 150bhp and 263 lbft of torque???



Ian

dunno about him but mine is gettin an allisport intercooler & a new zaust to help things along & im aiming for about there aswell

[Magnum335]

ITG Air filter, Allisport Intercooler and pump tuning, Turner's Engineering Performance gasflowed cylinderhead.

The performance figures are what someone quoted but others say it is likely to be larger than what i have down because the gasflow head performance varies with the way it is driven. I wont know unless it goes on a dyno....

You'll be up there with those figures with the intercooler and zorst. I'm toying with the idea of the twisted performance tornado exhaust and a hybrid garret turbo.....

Porny, are you talking about a 300tdi with EDC? How much do you know about them?

[Xtremeteam]

TBH IMHO a zaust like the twisted one or likewise will make a small difference but ive found its mostly noise,im sure porny will disagree but he knows his stuff about zausts,

ive had my 90 on the rollers at dastek up here & was 119.7 bhp & 180 Ibft with just the pump opened up & a desilenced exhaust.........


Once i get the new zaust on & intercooler in im planning on getting it back on to see what it puts out,was looking at a kit on the web which was the intercooler,head,zaust & other bits for £750 ish & now i cant find it  :lol:

[Magnum335]

Yeah i share the view on the exhaust just being for noise, i think that will be the finishing touch. Will have to see what the turbo market looks like when i get my next student loan through!!  :twisted:

[Xtremeteam]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8825605441819995085
mine with a TD rear section & straight through centre

new exhaust is straight through front to rear & comes out through the rear wing,should sound about the same i think

[Magnum335]

Sounds areet!

[dew1911]

Chavs with Corsas... This topic.

Anyone see a difference :?

[Xtremeteam]

Chavs with Corsas... This topic.

Anyone see a difference :?

myself & barnyfarmer have driving licenses so thus get to explore the capabilitys of our vehicles so..................




SHUT YER HOLE  :lol:  

[defenderdan]

Chavs with Corsas... This topic.

Anyone see a difference :?

Dew if you don't like this thread don't bother posting on it, go and look at something else. You don't have to express your opinion about everything. Just 'cos your head thinks it you don't need to type it!

[Porny]

Chavs with Corsas... This topic.

Anyone see a difference :?

Dew,

Yet another worthwhile post to a topic.  :?:

Regardless of the fact you don’t even have a driving licence, or a car you can actually drive legally (you can't drive your 110" as it has 12 seats)…

And more so, you have absolutely no practical engineering or engine experience (please let us know if I’m wrong, maybe we could compare qualifications and jobs), so in reality you can’t add anything informative to a thread -i.e. something you actually know, not that you’ve copied from another thread…

Please can you STOP filling an informative thread with meaning less spiel… especially when it’s a topic you know absolutely nothing about.

When you do know something, please feel free to post, or if you want to lean – then ask questions - no body minds if people ask questions about something they don’t understand – that’s the good thing about these forums…..

At the moment all you do you is make yourself look a complete idiot.


I’ve no doubt you’re going try and come back with some attempt at humour, or try and start some argument ending in some derogatory comments…  

If so, feel free…. But just remember you’re the one that’ll end up looking stupid.




Ian

[thumbs]

well said porny!!!!

silly post in serious tech topics gets very annoying from someone who obvious nows nothing!

especially ones like this that i am following as interested in performace upgrades.

not a chav in a corsa, my disco gets used properly but it is also daily driver.

got a de-silenced exhaust - side exit (not that that makes a difference  :D ) and a tweeked pump.

not sure which route to go at the moment!

[Magnum335]

WHOA chill peoples. Though i side wholeheartedly with teh majority.

You say chavs with corsa's, you are entitled to this thought but please think about it. Lets have a little comparison:

Chavs drive around at high speed with high pitched exhausts.
We drive quite slowly with more of a rumble.

Chavs hoon around blaring music out of stolen sound systems with no consideration for the general public.
We dont; the majority of land rover drivers are couteous and well driven, we cant afford to make any more enemies than we already have.

Chavs dont pay insurance
We do

Chavs only mod their car for appearance and cred.
We (well i) mod our cars for ability, economy and comfort.

Comparison over, i say no more on that issue.
In our defence however, we actually use our vehicles on the road and quite happily accept they are not 100% perfect out of teh factory so we modify them to tailor our needs, to make them easier to drive. Although i dont know you, i seem to have got the gyst that you dont have a drivers licence and therefore dont actually know why we do this.
If that makes us like chavs in corsas in your opinion, so be it. Everyone is entitled to a view, but like others have said, if it isnt relevant or costructive, you dont have to say it or post on the forum. if you feel strongly enough to post about it, why not start your own thread and see how many people share your view instead of hijacking and runining other peoples!

[Magnum335]

Thumbs: well said also!
If you want to transform the disco in the broadest way i would fit an uprated intercooler, it really is the best of both worlds:
If you want to drive economically it allows you to with the extra torque available, and if you need the extra poke its there if you need it. It will pay itself off at the fuel pumps. I see no drawbacks to it, unlike the uprated turbos which increase fuel consumption.
Another cheap way of increasing MPG is to buy a boost guage, it alows you to monitor your driving style and back off the throttle when you dont actually need it. You'd be amazed at how much you can back off and hold teh same speed!

[thumbs]

boost gauge is a good idea, i do try and back of the throtle when on longer runs at speed, not so worried about mpg as i dont do a million miles, just would like that little extra omph!

[Magnum335]

Bolt a big off turbo on it and a hooooooooooge intercooler and tune teh pump internally.
How have you tweaked the pump? With the screws on the outside?

[Porny]

ITG Air filter, Allisport Intercooler and pump tuning, Turner's Engineering Performance gasflowed cylinderhead.

The performance figures are what someone quoted but others say it is likely to be larger than what i have down because the gasflow head performance varies with the way it is driven. I wont know unless it goes on a dyno....

150bhp.... you should be close, but I doubt it's more than that.  In all honesty a lot of people mention figures, but they are not always achievable (a lot of factors dictate actual performance)... I also don't believe some peoples rolling road figures - as not all rolling roads are the same!!  Useful as a comparison between two cars though (if done on the same rolling road)
 
250 – 260lbft is about right with the torque though….

You'll be up there with those figures with the intercooler and zorst. I'm toying with the idea of the twisted performance tornado exhaust and a hybrid garret turbo....

Twisted performance exhaust…. Too may fixings IMHO, plus I cut my finger on the Td5 at one of the shows.

My 90 runs a competition system from Exact Fabrication – www.exactfabrication.co.uk  - all in high grade stainless, all TIG welded, and 2.5” from the turbo back.  Does definitely spin up faster (less lag), and sounds very nice!! (will try and record it at some point)

Chris will make you what ever you want, and his work is to a ‘very’ high standard!!  
(I’ve got no connection, just a happy customer!)

As for the Turbo, speak to Andy at Allisport (though I know a few other people do them too)….
Just make sure it’s properly matched, too big and you’ll get loads of lag.

If I had the money, I’d fit a VNT (variable nozzle/vain turbo) – they make a massive difference to low down torque.  You can fit the one off the 2.8TGV engine – the Brazilian made 300Tdi (but their 2.8L version) – you can use all the TGV manifold etc etc – which makes it look like a factory job.

Porny, are you talking about a 300tdi with EDC? How much do you know about them?

A bit… what do you want to know?

mine with a TD rear section & straight through centre

new exhaust is straight through front to rear & comes out through the rear wing,should sound about the same i think

Mike, your exhaust sounds nice…. Not as nice as mine though!! ;)

If you want to transform the disco in the broadest way i would fit an uprated intercooler, it really is the best of both worlds.
If you want to drive economically it allows you to with the extra torque available, and if you need the extra poke its there if you need it. It will pay itself off at the fuel pumps. I see no drawbacks to it, unlike the uprated turbos which increase fuel consumption.
Another cheap way of increasing MPG is to buy a boost guage, it alows you to monitor your driving style and back off the throttle when you dont actually need it. You'd be amazed at how much you can back off and hold teh same speed!

A more efficient intercooler does make a difference, but you need to adjust the FIP to suit

Uprated turbo increase fuel consumption…

Yes and no…

No more so than a big intercooler and the FIP (fuel injection pump) mods.  

What really matters is how you drive it.  If you drive very lightly on the throttle then due to the extra torque and power you will be able to pull a higher gear, use less throttle etc etc – which in theory you will actually see an improvement in MPG….

However, if you use the extra power available then the MPG will drop (the simplest view is that the more diesel you put in, the more you will use – and to get power out of a diesel you add more fuel!!)

So in theory, driven carefully with a tweaked pump, hybrid turbo, big intercooler your MPG should be as good as before the mods…. Driven hard though, you will use more fuel!!


Boost gauge…
I was running two in my 90 last week!!!  
Been playing around with boost control, and preventing waste gate creep… that’s another story though.

A boost gauge is a helpful addition, but I don’t really see the need for one to be fitted all the time… once the boost is set then just leave it be – just check it every so often.

More important (IMHO) is the ability to measure EGT (exhaust gas temp) – more fuel in a diesel = higher EGT (a petrol works the other way round).  

If you start getting higher than 750-800°c then you need to back off the fuelling a bit (or lift off the throttle) – to a high will start cracking exhaust manifolds (or more!!)

 How have you tweaked the pump? With the screws on the outside?

Screws on the outside – are we talking the max fuel screw??  Or something else?
(If Allisport tweaked your pump, this hasn’t been adjusted   )

On mine (at the moment) the diaphragm is set at max and the star wheel has been adjusted a bit… need to fit a thermocouple to measure EGT before I start going further…

Plus I’m waiting for Andy at Allisport to finish my ‘custom’ intercooler!!!


- Sorry about the long thread……

Ian

[Magnum335]

Yeah it was my diaphragm inside that was tweaked, so i still have the outside screws to fiddle with should i want more power, but i am happy with it at teh moment really.

You are correct in the intercooler will increase fuel consumption if you drive it to the max, i however have no experience with the big turbos and assumed they increased it, will they decrease it if you drive it economically?
I drive for economy. Currently averaging 35mpg.

As i said, my boost guage is there to keep a check on unrequired throttle, not for tweaking the pressure. I see the boost guage as a sort of exhaust flow guage, so more exhaust means more mix has gone in. I can be at 0.6bar doing 55mph maybe edging up, but i stick at 55 really, so when i see i am doin .6 bar, i back off down to 0.3 or 0.4 and it holds 55 very nicely. That is how i use it, and for me it works.

[Porny]

Yeah it was my diaphragm inside that was tweaked, so i still have the outside screws to fiddle with should i want more power, but i am happy with it at teh moment really.

There is still more to tweak inside    :D

As i said, my boost guage is there to keep a check on unrequired throttle, not for tweaking the pressure. I see the boost guage as a sort of exhaust flow guage, so more exhaust means more mix has gone in. I can be at 0.6bar doing 55mph maybe edging up, but i stick at 55 really, so when i see i am doin .6 bar, i back off down to 0.3 or 0.4 and it holds 55 very nicely. That is how i use it, and for me it works.

55mph whats that then  :lol:   .... my 90 will happily pull/sit on 90/95mph (on the speedo - and on a private road)... still runs a standard intercooler.

I agree with the boost gauge, and it can be a helpful toy when trying to get the best MPG...  I did use to use the one in my other 90 like that at times.  Is your calibrated??? - I've had a few TIM ones in the past and they have varied quite a bit in accuracy!!! (pm me if you want yours checked)


Is your max boost pressure still at 1 bar??

[Magnum335]

Is your max boost pressure still at 1 bar??

I only have a 1bar guage fitted and it wants to go off the scale and i have never openend it up fully. I havent been beyond 85 cos i bottled but i feel it will do more.
55mph whats that? 55mph is 35mpg thats wht that is!!!
You will learn about me i do not want speed, i want torque, and if that extra torque means a bit more go i'm not going to complain!!!

I am actually thinking about getting a 1.5 bar TIM one, may it be an idea to have it delivered to you first to save on one set of postage?

[Xtremeteam]

dont bother with a TIM one,i did & now use an autometer one (what the drift guys use   ) & its much more acurate

[Magnum335]

How much is one of those and do they come in 52mm? And do they blend in with a landy dash?

[Xtremeteam]

How much is one of those and do they come in 52mm? And do they blend in with a landy dash?

a tim one is £25 from halfrouds,

an autometer one is £25 from above & its silver with a changable colour face,it looks no bad on my 90 beside the dash binacle